GLENN BECK PROGRAM
GLENN: Let's go to
Mary Matalin. Hi, Mary, how are you?
MATALIN: Oh, my God.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh, it's you.
MATALIN: Has anyone ever broken records as quickly as
beautifully and as creatively as you have?
GLENN: Yeah, I think a lot.
MATALIN: No, I don't think so. Congratulations!
GLENN: Thank you so much.
MATALIN: I was singing around the house and my kids are
like, why are you singing that song? This is number one,
baby, debut, number one baby.
GLENN: By the way, Mary Matalin is my publisher and she has
been -- I wrote you just the other night and I said, Mary --
did you get my e-mail?
GLENN: Really? Oh, crap. Mare merry left messages for you
during the holidays. Do you have my right e-mail address?
MATALIN: I don't know. I am so glad -- we'll touch base on
it. I have to tell you that I am so glad for you because I
can't even imagine what it's like to be you walking around
the halls of, you know, a publishing house.
MATALIN: Well, you know, there's two other people there and
they both whisper. Louise Burke, who is the person of
publishing anyway is the only conservative person I've ever
met in that business.
GLENN: It's amazing.
MATALIN: It's like when I was working at CNN. People would
GLENN: When I first started. Now they are pretty open about
it. But, you know, I think -- because we always have these
pride weeks at the Time-Warner Center. I think we should
have one where we put pictures of conservatives up and then
just have those positive statements. "I'm conservative and
MATALIN: You know what, Glenn, that is so a great idea
because you know where else there's a lot of conservatives
and they whisper, is in Hollywood? And they do a lot of the
work and a lot of them are in the creative process and a lot
of them are on screen and they always whisper, too, and they
are like, take you to the back and then tell me those
stories. I'm like, this is ridiculous. We ought to have a
bicoastal conservative pride day.
GLENN: I have to tell you, it would be fantastic. I have --
and I can't say his name because I don't have permission to
say his name but I had dinner a couple of weeks ago with an
Oscar winner and he's a conservative and he said, you don't
know. He said, there are three of us right now that are
trying to pull people out of the closets in Hollywood, that
are trying to get people, you know, and we're having these
dinners with each other and we're putting, you know, names
down on lists and we're like, okay, we've got to get them to
come out and admit it because we've got to be able to unite.
These conservatives in Hollywood, they understand what real
McCarthyism really is. I mean, it's -- blacklists actually
MATALIN: It really does. And this is important seriously
because the way in which you've changed the landscape,
Hollywood creators can be very important to our global
public diplomacy. You know, the way we have public diplomacy
to talk about America in the beginning of, you know, to help
us take down communism and that doesn't exist anymore
because so much of that was done through Hollywood. They do
the opposite now. Look what they're putting on there. Of
course, it's crashing and trashing here at home but it would
be very important to have that community pushing in a
positive American image around the world.
GLENN: You know, redacted is going to -- well, it made, I
think $26,000 in its opening weekend here. That movie is
going to cost American lives overseas. It's going to make
millions overseas and I think it's treasonous, quite
MATALIN: Well, I'm with you, Buddy. Well, you've done your
bit for America. This book is incredible, I can't believe,
flying off the shelf. I was so jealous when they told me,
they sent a picture of your book. I'm like, when is the bust
coming here? I want to get on the bus.
GLENN: Well, I tell you what, if you can promise your
husband isn't home, I'll drive it to your house myself. It
will drive you nuts.
You know, before I get into this, because I want to ask you
about Hillary Clinton and some substance going on, but let
me ask you this: Do you remember one of the first questions
I asked you when we first had lunch? It was a very honest
question and I'm sure you hear it all the time and that is,
how do you do it? How do you -- I mean, what are you
thinking? What did you say?
MATALIN: You know what, he is a liberal and I was in denial
for many years. I decided if I didn't talk about it, it
would go away. But now I don't talk about it because I don't
want to fight and I think every marriage has those places
where they don't go.
GLENN: But it's so bizarre because you both believe it to
the core, and I don't know how you -- I don't know. I mean,
there are some things that you've got to, I mean, that are
values that just are values, that are important. You know?
MATALIN: Well, let me take a place that we couldn't disagree
more and that's the war. His value is unlike some of his
treasonous friends, I agree with you it's treason. He is not
anti-American. He loves this country. He's an altar boy
Catholic. He has traditional values. He's a patriot. He was
in the Marines. So he just thinks -- and initially he wasn't
against the war but he thinks it's badly executed.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. Well, I agree with that.
MATALIN: Okay. Well, I can't -- to which I say to both of
you guys, show me a war that, you know, got off the ground
and went --
GLENN: Oh, no, no, I agree with you as well. We did, we
really botched it. We did it really well at the beginning.
Then we blew it in the middle and we're doing it right now.
I mean, you're right. I mean, that's the wars are. But I
don't want to get into the James thing. I wanted to ask you
my next, you know, insane question that I wanted to ask you.
Do you ever call restaurants and say, hi, I'm Mary Matalin,
I'd just like to get to the table. And then when they come,
they are disappointed that you are not the deaf Oscar
MATALIN: Yeah, that happens a lot because -- and the older I
get, the worse it is.
GLENN: Really? Mare merry do get e-mail, my public e-mail
for her: Oh, I love you and such-and-such.
GLENN: Oh, that's great.
MATALIN: And the other thing I get where they are really
disappointed, though, is they think I'm the, one of Jesus
Christ's apostles. I get more of the Mary Magdalene than the
Matalin. I actually look, although she is a gazillion times
prettier slightly like Mary Matalin because she has dark
hair and dark eyes but she's obviously prettier. The Jesus
thing is even worse.
GLENN: Let me switch to politics here real quick. Hillary
Clinton, I have been amazed that her numbers have been so
high I keep thinking to myself, I mean, have you forgotten,
America, what -- even if you agree with her politically, I
as an American am so sick of the Bush/Clinton, Bush/Clinton
things. I'm so sick of the same argument. The last thing I
want is a rerun of the 1990s just of the conversation in
America and I don't want a rerun of the last eight years of
the conversation. Do you think she is going to implode
because people are now starting to say, ooh, wait a minute,
I remember now?
MATALIN: I think that's why that little incident with her,
to be a political junkie like you and I, was so noticed, was
so damaging when her husband said, I was against, I was
always against the war from the beginning. It just reminded
people of the war that joined our lexicon. Clintonian, they
are both Clintonian. As you know, this is the election era
of authenticity. I completely agree with you. Very prominent
people want to turn the page. But the Democrats and liberals
think they want to turn the page away from conservativism.
They do not. They want regular old-fashioned traditional
predictable principle conservativism. That's what a country
is, including the independents who left the Republican party
because it wasn't behaving conservatively, which is a
conversation you and I have had ad nauseam. So I think her
numbers are -- her numbers aren't that high. They are just
higher relative to her field but not for long. I think
Obama, if he is not ahead of her, he will be ahead of her in
Iowa. This is still very fluid. They know they got problems
in Iowa. And if she tanks in Iowa, I don't know if the
party's going to -- her party is as tenuous in not wanting
to be with her, much more so than you would think.
GLENN: Yeah. Obama having breakfast with Michael Bloomberg,
which would be -- I mean, if you are a strategist, it seems
to me -- well, you are a strategist. I'm just a thinker. It
would seem to me to be a smart move.
CALLER: And a big debut number one best selling thinker.
GLENN: I love you. It would be a good move because he would
be able to say, look, this guy is a Republican and I'm
reaching across the aisles even though Michael Bloomberg is
the furthest thing from a Republican, or at least from a
conservative. Good move or a bad move on his part?
MATALIN: Well, I think there's so much ado about Michael
Bloomberg, who is a great guy who I met when I was working
in the White House and has done a great job in the city, and
my New York friends think he is a terrific mayor. I don't
think he's philosophically, certainly not a conservative. So
that would be Obama, who's positioning himself as sort of
center left. Another center left guy, he wants to prove that
he can reach across the aisle, get a Joe Lieberman. That
would be perfect for him. Jewish, defense, you know, morals,
concerned on the moral stuff.
GLENN: But Joe Lieberman is like, I mean he's like, he's
leprosy in shoes.
MATALIN: Well, Obama, he's a changed candidate, he is going
to do it a different way. Well, first they are going to
change the tone in their own house before they can change
the tone in Washington, across the aisle.
GLENN: That's exactly why I say Joe Lieberman is leprosy in
shoes. I mean, try to get anybody to pay attention to him on
the left. Joe Lieberman, they don't want anything to do with
Joe Lieberman. And they are making the same mistake. They
ran him. They said, no, got to be Annie war. Once they ran
Joe Lieberman against the guy on the left, and Joe's pretty
left on some things. Once they ran somebody on this platform
that they think everybody is hungry for, Joe Lieberman
stamped stomped him into the ground.
MATALIN: Lieberman, here's why Joe Lieberman would be a good
move for him. Before he was with Al Gore, he was for,
originally he was against it. But he's been for school
choice, he's been for updating in a serious way or
eliminating in the destructive way, affirmative action and
he has good, solid flea market values. He's informed by
that. And yet he has this very intense moral code and he's
great on defense. He is likely, he is what the country
wants. I don't know why I'm on this Joe Lieberman binge but
GLENN: Are you still on the Fred Thompson bandwagon.
MATALIN: Yeah, but I like them all but I loved Fred for
being so supportive of Scooter when nobody else would step
up to the plate. But I'm a federalist, I'm a Burkian
federalist and he is the most philosophically and
consistently philosophical and thinking conservative in the
field by far. Not even close. So I hope that he's in the
race and every time we have these debates, you know, he
substantively and philosophically the best. How his
campaigns play out is anybody's guess but he's a good man.
GLENN: Do you think the -- I've talked to so many people who
are Republicans, you know, and play the game in the beltway
and they dismiss the border. They say, yeah, people say
that, but they don't vote on that issue. Do you think that's
MATALIN: The boardroom?
GLENN: The border. Mare marrow, the border. Oh, my God, no.
I don't think that's true at all and that was one of the --
the first policy on that was Social Security because that's
what got them all lathered up in the first place, that we're
keeping all this on our kids.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
MATALIN: So it's a moral issue for him. But immigration, do
they vote on it? Yes, they vote on it. We sit around and
talk about it.
GLENN: I know we do. I'm not kidding you.
MATALIN: In restaurants or in the campaign, we talk about,
this is so problematic. You know, people think this is a
border issue. It's not just a border issue. In Iowa it's a
meth problem. In Missouri it's a mess problem. It's a crime
problem, it's an interior problem. You know, talk about all
the time. We know the system's on it but we don't typically
associate it with the biggest, latest drug scores, meth, and
it is. In rural America. It is just a horrible problem.
GLENN: We've got 21 people that are still missing that have
been kidnapped, 21 Americans that have been kidnapped at the
border down in Laredo and still nobody's talking about it,
not a single politician is really standing up and ringing
the bell on this and it's all drug cartel stuff. It is bad,
MATALIN: Do you ever have on -- I'd watch you when I'm home
but I'm not always home. These border sheriffs in Texas?
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
MATALIN: Aren't they amazing?
GLENN: Oh, let me tell you something. I just said this a
couple of weeks ago. America needs to support their local
sheriffs, they need to support their local police. It is the
local guys that get it, and they are on the frontline and
they are the ones ringing the bell the hardest and saying,
good God in heaven, will somebody help us because they are
the ones that are running into the meth problem. They are
the ones that are having to shoot at these guys and sweep
up, you know, all of the blood afterwards, and it is bad
news. They are heroes.
MATALIN: And they are completely ill equipped. They are like
Barney 5. They got little cars and one bullet and these guys
come in tanks and they have Uzis or whatever, I don't know
my guns, but they are armored up, man.
GLENN: Mary, I've got to run but thank you so much for
everything and we'll talk again soon.
MATALIN: Buy this book, he's already number one. Let's keep
gas, big gas in that gas guzzling book, "An Inconvenient
GLENN: Thanks a lot, Mary.