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GLENN BECK PROGRAM
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GLENN: Last night
I finished Protect and Defend by Vince Flynn. Vince is one
of my favorite authors. He writes great fiction novels with
Mitch Rap and he's kind of like, kind of makes Kiefer
Sutherland look like a puss, and this is, Protect and
Defend, is about Iran and how the United States, how the
whole thing unfolds, and I've got to tell you, Vince, I hope
we're doing half the stuff in your book.
FLYNN: We're looking at a lot of it, yeah. I think
unfortunately Iraq has made a lot of people in Washington
nervous. We talked about this years ago. I agree that the
plan was to go in, stabilize Iraq and then spread democracy.
GLENN: Democracy.
FLYNN: In quotations across our border and because that
didn't work as well as we would have liked, although there
are some great signs lightly.
GLENN: Yeah. Didn't you hear just in, where was it, Mosul
they just had a 5k run yesterday. Stu, you have to look that
up. They just had a 5k run. This is one of the most, or al
-- I can't remember. Look it up. It was one of the most
dangerous places in Iraq a year ago. 5k run.
FLYNN: It's amazing the progress that has been made and in
fact, how under -- there's this eerie silence right now. A
couple of headlines yesterday, lowest death toll, October,
in six years, yeah, whatever. And people -- no one's really
talking about it.
GLENN: Yeah. Isn't that weird?
FLYNN: Well, what's going to be fascinating, you talk about
this all the time, is to see how the Democratic candidates
handle this.
GLENN: They're not.
FLYNN: They're not. They just say this is bad.
GLENN: They are going to go right to healthcare.
FLYNN: This goes back to my very first book, Term Limits,
where politicians -- now I'm a registered Republican. I'm
more libertarian in nature.
GLENN: Yeah.
FLYNN: But there's good politicians on both sides of the
aisle.
GLENN: Yeah.
FLYNN: And there's no doubt that in my book Term Limits
which has now seen a resurgence, it's all about politicians
doing whatever they need to do to stay in power or get back
into power, and we're going to see that in the next two --
you know, the next year. It's going to be mind --
GLENN: We've already seen it.
FLYNN: We've already seen it, but what makes this so
disgusting is that we've got young men and women over there
who have volunteered to go fight and these people are
playing politics with their life.
GLENN: Let's take this. Front page of the New York Times
today. Nominee stands may avoid tangle of torture cases.
This is the attorney general saying I don't know if
waterboarding is torture, et cetera.
FLYNN: Because Glenn, we both know torture doesn't work,
right? Torture never works.
GLENN: Never works.
FLYNN: Which is the biggest line of bunk. Torture works, and
all the proof you need to understand -- and I'm not talking
Saddam and Uday and Qusay torture. You don't sit a guy down
and say, here's your 13-year-old daughter, we're going to
gang rape you if you don't talk. That guy will say anything.
I'm talking about a situation that's almost clinical in
nature where you keep somebody, they are being reviewed by a
physician and a psychiatrist, you keep them up days on end,
you question, question, question.
GLENN: This was my problem and so many listeners came
hunting for my head after Abu Ghraib. I was against Abu
Ghraib and I said, because it didn't look like it was done
by professionals, what was that, stacking people in a
pyramid.
FLYNN: Do you know what that was? And I'm telling you this
was the honest to God truth. That was a intelligence officer
leaving at the end of the day and said, listen, keep these
guys up; we need to interrogate them in the morning; don't
let them sleep. So these other guys with no supervision
decide, how are we going to keep them up? Let's have some
fun.
GLENN: Right.
FLYNN: Senator McCain a couple of years ago wrote torture
doesn't work, torture's not the answer, it lowers us to our
enemy, whatever. The example he used is that when he was in
the Hanoi Hilton, they asked him repeatedly, name the other
aviators in your squadron and he smiles and says, I told
them the starting lineup for the Green Bay Packers. Well,
and I have respect for Senator McCain but that was almost 40
years ago. Today Mohammed whoever gives you the starting
lineup for the Pakistani lawn bowling team or whatever, you
go on the Internet, you Google it, we have databases tied
into customs offices all around the world.
GLENN: Right.
FLYNN: These, the reason why torture eventually works, and
we tell our own aviators and we tell our spies and we tell
our special forces guys, you will break. That's how our guys
are trained. No one survives it. You will break and you will
end up telling them everything. All we can ask of you is
that you hold out long enough so we can get assets out of
the way.
So if we're telling our own guys that you will all break,
why do we have this debate that it absolutely doesn't work?
And I want to back off something. I choose to call it rough
interrogation, not torture, and I know Amnesty
International's going to say you're out of your mind, but
there's a big difference between cutting off someone's limb
or crushing their testicles or forcing them to watch their
family get gang raped than keeping a guy up and playing
Barney music over and over and over.
GLENN: Well, hang on. Let me go two places with you. First
of all, the bullcrap that's happening in Washington right
now with the politicians where they're saying waterboard,
you know, what is the attorney general stand, well, I asked
congress the same thing, what is your stand. They have had
two opportunities to outlaw waterboarding. They won't outlaw
it.
FLYNN: Exactly.
GLENN: So you can't have it both ways.
FLYNN: Here's the question every American should ask
themselves and our politicians should be forced to ask -- to
answer.
GLENN: Yeah.
FLYNN: The week before 9/11, Zachariah Moussaoui was
arrested in Minneapolis. He was not a U.S. citizen. He
showed up with $40,000 in cash to learn how to fly, not take
off or land a jumbo jet.
GLENN: Right.
FLYNN: Okay? We never turned on his laptop, we never talked
to him because we were so afraid. Somebody in Washington
didn't think we could even get the FISA request. So we
didn't go for it. They should all be -- this one question.
If you could turn back the clock right now, would you want
-- would you be okay with somebody like Mitch Rap or Jack
Bauer going into that guy's jail cell and talking to him and
getting some answers out of him. They should have to ask
that --
GLENN: I don't know if talking is exactly what Jack Bauer or
Mitch Rap does.
FLYNN: No.
GLENN: In your book, Protect and Defend, when does it came
out?
FLYNN: It came out yesterday -- two days ago.
GLENN: Two days ago? It's really great. And if you are a
listener to this program and you are up on what's happening
in Iran, I've got to tell you, and I want to spend some time
talking to you about what you know and when did you know it
because this is riddled with the truth and I can tell you
know more than the average bear. In it Mitch Rap at the end,
you just said you're against somebody taking somebody's
testicle. This guy, this guy in the end not only takes
testicles but he collects the other parts attached to that
area of the body and throws them at people. I mean, it's --
FLYNN: But that, the scenario painted in the book is for
his, his world, it is the ticking time bomb. It is
literally. You've got like an hour to find out what is going
on here. How are you going to handle -- what are you going
to do with these three individuals that you captured
literally with their hand in the cookie jar. There is no
question that they're guilty. There's no question of guilt
or innocence. This isn't some father you pulled out of a
cafe in Baghdad and had no idea if he's guilty or not. These
guys were caught red handed. And I'm sorry. We need more
pragmatic people to wage this war on terror.
GLENN: I have to tell you, at one point he is on -- the main
character in the book is on the phone with the President and
all the advisors there in the room and, you know, he just,
he unloads on them and just says, "enough, enough! This is a
war."
FLYNN: Yep.
GLENN: "You guys don't have any idea." And it was so
gratifying and so real to life to see -- you know this is
what they're saying. "Wait a minute, do you know how many
investigations there are going to be and there's going to be
this," and finally somebody -- you know, it's your good guy
in the character, in the book says enough.
FLYNN: Yeah.
GLENN: Do you want to win or not.
FLYNN: We're over here, bombs are falling, people are dying
and you're talking about politics.
GLENN: Yeah.
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