GLENN BECK PROGRAM
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GLENN: Pat Gray, my very good friend from Houston, is on with me. Hi, Pat. Tell me real quick because we'll get into this tomorrow and I'd like to have you on tomorrow at the top of an hour. Tell me what's going on with this Mexican national.

GRAY: Okay. Jose Medellin is a Mexican national who was in the United States from the time he was 6 and at the time of the brutal rape, gang rape and murder of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena in 1993 in Houston, he was 18 years old and these two young girls were late coming home from a party and so they cut across some railroad tracks and ran into this Black and White gang, they called themselves. And they were performing gang rapes and thought it would be fun to gang rape, torture and murder these two innocent girls. And he was subsequently sentenced, Jose Medellin was sentenced to death. He was given his rights, he was given a lawyer, everything was paid for by the State. Everything was taken care of by U.S. law, but he didn't apparently get a visit from the Mexican consulate and that's what (inaudible) now. So President Bush a few months ago commuted his sentence to life in prison. Texas is appealing that to the U.S. Supreme Court, and President Bush is siding with the International Court of Justice right now.

GLENN: Now, hang on. Here's the deal. So this guy goes to jail and we did everything right except the cop did not say, "You can appeal to the Mexican consulate," but why should he? He's been here in America since he was 6. He's practically an American. How could we possibly send him back to his own country? This is all he's known. Does this argument sound familiar to anybody? So he goes -- they don't say that you can appeal to the Mexican consulate. He then gets an attorney and they appeal to the Hague. They appeal to the international court, the same court that George Bush says, I am not listening to the Hague when it comes to war crimes, I'm not going to -- we are not going to subject our citizens to anything in the international court; we are a sovereign nation, right?

GRAY: Right. Usually he has, repeatedly has fought any involvement by the International Court of Justice over American sovereignty until now. Now it involves a Mexican national. Now that Mexico's all upset that we're going to execute one of their own, now he sides with the International Court of Justice and the Justice Department fights it.

GLENN: Here's the thing. You want this dirtbag back, let us build the wall so we know he doesn't come back to our country and you can have him. We'll release him on your streets. Let him rape and kill brutally your kids. I'm cool with that. Whatever, Mexico. You don't want him in our jail, you don't want us to execute him? Fine. As long as he doesn't come back here, you can do with him whatever you want. You want to have tea and maybe you can have birthday celebrations with your 15-year-old girls. You go ahead and do it. Not here.

So Pat, any -- besides the usual suspects, any kind of idea on why Bush might be doing this?

GRAY: Besides the usual suspects? Well, he claims, he claims that he's doing this so that Americans will be competed fairly when they're overseas and they go to prison and they are charged with a crime. When has that ever been a problem? We have fought the International Court of Justice our entire existence and we've never been a part of their system and fought it every step of the way. Only now does he use that, "Oh, I'm worried about the fairness for Americans being treated fairly." Baloney.

GLENN: You know, Pat, I mean, you know -- you've known me for since 1990 and you know who I used to be in 1990 and you also know I have always been, "Come on, come on, it's not a conspiracy, we're not -- we're the United States, we're not going to lose our sovereignty, we're not..." you know that, right?

GRAY: Right, right.

GLENN: There is no other way to explain this stuff. There's no other -- I've tried to explain it other ways.

GRAY: Right.

GLENN: We are losing our sovereignty. There is -- it's not a conspiracy because it's out in the open. To quote Professor Carroll Quigley who the Clintons and everybody else just love so much. It's not a conspiracy; it's out in the open. It's happening and nobody will pay attention to it.

GRAY: Well, and it's still out in the open that when you bring it up now, those who are trying to keep it, you know, sort of still in the realm of conspiracy will mock you with that: Oh, I know it's not a conspiracy because it's too out in the open. Well, yeah! (Inaudible) mocking that frame of thought because he knows it's out in the open. There's no other explanation for this now that I can see. I mean, if somebody can help me with that, I'm open to it.

GLENN: Oh, I've had -- you know what, I've had Michael met VIN, a very nice guy, a guy I can respect. This guy, he's come at me 600 times: Glenn, it's not a conspiracy. I know, Michael, I know it's not a conspiracy; explain it, explain it, please. In a way that makes sense, explain it. It is not a -- Bush doesn't think he's doing the wrong thing for the country. These guys don't think they are doing the wrong thing for the country. I believe they totally believe that we've got to have a trade bloc of these three countries, that we've got to be able to have -- to be able to survive, they believe that it needs to be the EU and so you could sit down with all of them and they would say, no, we're not doing anything wrong, we're not doing anything. They actually are in that mindset that they believe this stuff. Am I wrong?

GRAY: No, I think that's right. I think that's right.

GLENN: I mean, try to -- help me with the international court. Help me with the international court. I mean --

GRAY: The problem is a lot of the people on the Mexican side, they are just even more blatant about it and their foreign minister has made statements many times to Texas where we need to unite these three countries as soon as we possibly can.

GLENN: Of course.

GRAY: For all the reasons you just outlined.

GLENN: Pat, we'll have you on tomorrow and we'll go into depth tomorrow on this one, all right?

GRAY: All right.

GLENN: Thank you very much. It's Pat Gray from KSEV in Houston, Texas. 

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