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GLENN BECK PROGRAM
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GLENN: I want to
go to Bernard Kerik. He was the commissioner of police here
in New York City during 9/11. He had some problems. He's
trying to get his life back in order. He's spending a lot of
time now in Jordan. He is overseeing a bombproof, I mean
ready for a Ground Zero nuclear strike. This enormous
complex. It's kind of like what we have buried in our
mountains and it's, I believe, the first of its kind in the
Middle East, at least I bet out of Israel. I bet Israel has
something like this, but he's building this, and we had a
conversation yesterday about what's coming and what people
aren't paying attention to and the spectacular hit. We had
him on television last night. I wanted to spend a little
more time with him now. Hey, Bernie, how are you, sir?
Kerik: Hi, Glenn, how are you?
GLENN: I'm good. I'm good. Let's pick it up with, what is it
that Jordan is doing that the rest of the Middle East isn't
doing? I mean, I hate the fact that we're in bed with people
like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, but Jordan is kind of a
different place. Is that, is that accurate to say?
 Kerik: Well, I think it is, especially for the Arab region
and the Gulf states. It's different because they have a very
aggressive and active role in combating terror. The
government of Jordan, the king of Jordan is probably one of
our closest allies, a legitimate ally to this country, and
basically they're fighting the same war, you know, against
radical Islamics that we are, and they understand our fight,
they understand our battle and the king of Jordan and the
government there is, you know, putting together initiatives
and programs to not only fight it internally but also to
work with outside governments and agencies, international
agencies to combat it as well.
GLENN: Would it be to our advantage to send this doctor that
they say they have now over in London that is a Jordanian
citizen, would it be to our advantage to send him back home
for questioning?
Kerik: Well, listen, Glenn. The Jordanians, not only the
Jordanians but a number of different countries outside the
scope of the U.S. and the U.K., they have different programs
and different initiatives when it comes to interrogation,
interviews, questioning, the holding of people. You know,
when they commit acts like this or they attempt to commit
acts like this, they're much more aggressive. They live in a
very different world than we do. We're only coming into play
now to getting to know and understanding the enemy, and I
personally didn't think that the people in this country
don't really understand the enemy yet. They do. They've been
fighting this enemy for years, they understand it, they know
it and they know it has to be done when they are combating
it. So their initiatives in their program are somewhat
different than ours.
GLENN: So then tell me, Bernie, what it is that we don't
know that they do. People are shocked and I'm so surprised.
It shows me how far behind the American people are in
understanding what we're facing. When people say they're
doctors, these were doctors that were involved, you know,
over the weekend.
Kerik: You know what, Glenn, that's only because people
don't pay attention. You know, we have a very short, you
know, span on reality in this country. We like to put the
negative behind us. We like to put, you know, just put the
negative in the rear and move forward and forget about the
past. The reality is Zawahiri who is the number two guy in
Al-Qaeda, he's a doctor. Osama Bin Laden was an engineer.
The 19 guys that flew the planes into the towers, into
Shanksville, into the Pentagon, these were all educated men.
For anybody to look at these guys today in the U.K. and say,
oh, my God, they're doctors, where have you been for the
last six years, eight years, ten years? You know, there is
no specific one thing, one profile about education. You
know, a lot of people say, well, it's mostly the poverty
stricken. That's not true. There's one thing and one thing
only that makes these people different than anybody else and
that is their ideology and their hatred for the West. That's
it. That's it. I don't care where they went to school, how
educated they are, poverty school, live in Gaza, live in
Jordan, live in the U.K. They hate the West, they have their
own religious beliefs, they are sick and demented religious
beliefs and anybody that does not believe like they do or
believe the same beliefs they do, they believe in their mind
they have the right to kill them.
GLENN: So, you know, I think there were a couple of things
that were exposed this weekend, and again most people won't
pay attention to it, and one of those is that terror causes
poverty, not the other way around. My eyes, I mean, blood
shooting out of my eyes after September 11th when people
said, well, it's just that these people are poor. No, it's
not that they're poor. No, it has nothing to do with
poverty. That is a way they can -- the leaders can exploit
those underneath, but it is --
Kerik: That's how they exploit it and that's how they
promote it
GLENN: Exactly right.
Kerik: The reality is it's not necessarily true.
GLENN: It's not the cause of terror. The other thing is I
just met with one of the TV producers, a highly educated
man, highly smart man. And he said to me, Glenn, this a new
tactic? Is this the new face of Al-Queda and terror, these
doctors? And I said, it is the same face. How do you get
this across that this, that nothing has changed here except
your understanding?
Kerik: Yeah, the only thing that's changed, Glenn, is the
different motives and methods by which they are going to
attack the West. Keep in mind, you know, we've done an
enormous amount to prevent attacks, you know, in the airline
industry, in the aviation industry. You know, we're working
on initiatives to promote our critical infrastructure, our
maritime facilities, our oil refineries. At the end of the
day Al-Qaeda follows every move we make, they follow every
news show, they watch what we do, and they have to come up
with different methods by which to attack us, and
everybody's -- you know, they're talking over the last two
or three days about this spectacular chatter that they are
hearing in the intelligence industry. The reality is, what
if tomorrow, tomorrow morning 19 guys just like on September
11th, what if they got and split up into four groups and
they went into four schools in our country, one in Orlando,
one in last, one in New York, L.A., one in New York and one
in Chicago and they massacred 250 kids like they did in
Beshawn, Washington? What if they did that tomorrow morning?
You know what it would do to our economic system, our
tourism, our airline industry? It would cripple this country
for a substantial period of time. We don't have the stomach
for this. This isn't Israel, this isn't Jordan, this isn't
the Middle East.
The reality is they are now coming up with different methods
to attack us. They can create spectacular not by flying
planes into towers, not by doing things like they have
talked about in the past. They come up with a coordinated
effort, communicate that effort and get it out to their
people and commit strikes like that on a coordinated effort.
You know, we're going to be hurting.
GLENN: Okay. So why haven't they done that?
Kerik: Honestly I think now you are going to see that,
especially after the U.K. They haven't been able to do it.
We've foiled a number of attacks that we know about, you
know, the JFK plot, the Fort Dix plot and others. There's a
number that you don't hear about. The FBI, the CIA, the
Department of Justice, they are doing a much better job
today in collecting, in analyzing that intelligence. Are
they perfect? No, but they are doing a much better job than
on September 10th, '01. The reality is you are not going to
stop every event. They will slip through the cracks and they
will do eventually what I'm saying.
GLENN: If you are somebody who watches this stuff like I am,
you have noticed that there have been -- there's just been
an increase of those that have been foiled. For instance, I
mean, you just name them. They are ramping up. Is this --
how connected is this to them smelling our blood in the
water over in the Middle East?
Kerik: Well, it's a little bit of everything. You know, you
say you're paying attention to it here. Keep in mind around
the world terrorists, you know, radical Islamic attacks have
increased by 25%, if not more, over the last year alone. 25%
over the last year.
GLENN: Hang on. Let me stop you here for a second because
there will be those who say, well, that's George Bush in
this war.
Kerik: Has nothing to do with George Bush and the war.
Listen, what were we doing on September 10th of '01?
September 10th of '01, we weren't in Iraq, we weren't in
Afghanistan, we weren't going after Bin Laden. We had no war
foot setting on -- we had no footing in the war on global
terror at all, and that's out of the White House, they admit
that. They weren't doing anything and we suffered the
biggest, most substantial terror attack in world history. So
I don't want to hear about Iraq and Afghanistan and the war.
The reality is we need Iraq to stabilize because we need
another ally in the region, period. That's why we've got to
be there.
GLENN: You spent a lot of time -- tell me a little bit about
this complex that you're building in Jordan.
Kerik: Well, I do a couple of things in Jordan. I'm an
advisor to the king of Jordan. We are building a national
crisis management center for him by which he can basically
run a crisis within the kingdom, you know, maybe against a
terror attack, maybe against a natural disaster. It's sort
of the equivalent of a war room for the Pentagon or for a
major city such as New York City or L.A. or Miami in the
United States. I'm also overseeing the prison reforms for
the government of Jordan, and we're building a supermaximum
facility for Al-Qaeda types, for these radical Islamics so
that they all go into one centralized center and they're
held there under supermaximum security so that they done go
into different institutions throughout the country and
radicalize other people. Zarqawi 12 years ago who was killed
last year by the coalition in Iraq, this guy was a street
thug 12 years ago. You know, 10 years later he is one of the
most wanted terrorists in the world because he was
radicalized and brainwashed in prison. We're trying to
eliminate that in Jordan where we put all these people in
one place so they can't contaminate the rest of the inmate
population.
 GLENN: One of the biggest, most fertile grounds for
recruiting here in the United States is in prison and we do
nothing here in the United States. You must have had some
conversations recently over in Jordan with people who -- I
mean, they must look at us on this particular case and say,
you guys just don't get it because they're so -- they've
been living with it for so long. What is the main thing that
you've heard that they just, they look and shake their heads
and go, you guys are just never going to do it unless you
do, blank?
Kerik: Well, I think the problem is they look at us and they
don't understand why we don't get it. And I think there's
logical explanations for why we don't get it. Look, in World
War II you had a military might against us. You had a
government against us. You had government leaders against
us. You could see them, you could hear them, you could feel
them. We had our people going to war. There was an enemy to
fight. Today these people are like ghosts. But keep these
numbers in mind, Glenn, because nobody realizes this. There
are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world today. If only 5% of
that is a radical mindset, which I probably think there's
more, you know, people that will go out and blow themselves
up and then you add another 5%, that's supportive, that's
130 million people. That's half our population. That's 100
times Hitler's Army. That is a substantial enemy that we
have to deal with, whether we like it or not. Whether, you
know, congress can get their act together -- you know, you
have people in congress and in the Senate and politicians
today running for President. They're saying, you know, the
war on terror is nothing but a bumper sticker. Well, guess
what. You need to send that person to Gaza to sit through
one of the kindergarten class graduations where they have
5-year-olds promoting jihad, talking about jihad, talking
about fighting the West, dying for the West. Those kids,
where are they going to be in 10 years, 15 years? Those are
the kids getting on buses in Israel. Those are kids flying
planes into buildings. That's the mentality out there and we
have to come to that realization.
GLENN: Bernie, I had Mark Steyn on the radio yesterday and
we were talking and his daughter was going over to England
and my daughter was just coming back from the United Kingdom
and we were having a conversation and I'm at a place with my
family that I thought, kids, if you want to see Europe,
you've got to go see Europe soon. You've spent time in the
Middle East. I mean, I've walked through the Holy Land
before and I've seen where, you know, for instance the room
of the Last Supper. Anything Christian has been erased in
that room. It is all Muslim symbolism in there now, and the
Christians, when they got a hold of the room again, did not
erase that but there is one culture that is trying to erase
everything else. How long do you think, just based on the
birthrates and every -- and the political correctness and
everything else that is going on in Europe, how long do you
think we have as these guys, as a real ally, how long do
they have before they've got to wake up and pound this
movement into the ground?
Kerik: Well, they've got to do it now. You know, there isn't
a lot of time. They don't -- you know, this isn't about, you
know, over the next five years we want to create initiatives
and programs. They've got to start now. They've got to start
working. And you know what, Glenn, the one thing that we're
not doing that we should be doing, and I recently talked to
people about this in Jordan, you know, there are a number of
Muslim clerics in Jordan, in the Middle East who are good
men, who understand the real religious beliefs of the Qur'an
and we've got to get these guys together, to get them out
into the United States. You know, a lot of people wouldn't
promote them to come to the United States, you know, and
preach in our mosques, but you've got to get these real
Muslim leaders, the real men, you know, very nice men, kind
men, sweet men that understand the religion as it's taught
in the Qur'an to come to the United States and come to other
countries to teach the real beliefs of the Qur'an like we
teach Christianity or we teach Judaism or whatever the case
may be.
GLENN: You know as well as I do that there are forces in
this country and all around the world that will say those
guys aren't Muslim enough and they will try to discredit
them because there is a movement that has its tentacles or
the Saudi tentacles wrapped all around it to make sure that
anyone that talks about a peaceful Islam, that talks about
that terror is really wrong and really means it is
discredited.
Kerik: You're absolutely right, Glenn. A lot -- and that's
exactly why I said a lot of these guys that we would try to
create the initiatives with and that I'm talking to in
Jordan now and the Middle East to get them to promote these
initiatives, there are elements out there against it. But
keep in mind, you know, Saudi Arabia eight weeks ago, they
arrested 172 Islamic militants who were planning a 9/11 in
Saudi Arabia. They were going to hit the refineries with
planes. I mean, it was a complicated program to what they
tried to do here, what they did here in September 11th of
'01. Even the Saudis, as bad as they've been in the past,
even them today, they are coming to the realization they've
got to fight this war, too, because if they don't --
GLENN: They're toast.
Kerik: They promoted it, they funded it and it's going to
take their throne if they don't do something about it.
GLENN: Bernie, thank you so much. We'll talk to you again
soon, sir, and stay safe in the Middle East. Bernie Kerik,
he is in New York but he's on his way back to Jordan.
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